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I love the site and typically agree with what you say but come on.
Get a life. This was a terribly unfortunate accident and I'm sure the evil people at BP would love to wake up and have this never have happened. And not only because of the money it cost them. But seriously, that car you drive to school and work every day, unless you want to pay $8 a gallon then the oil companies need to think of bigger, better, and more cost-effective ways to do business. Unless you don't drive/ride in a car, use electricity, or eat food that you didn't find yourself, then shut up. I'm just a regular joe, I don't work for oil or have any bias, so don't scream at me about being a right-wing texas oil man because I'm actually from Massachusetts and firmly believe in conservationism. But BP doesn't need to be vilified through the media. Lets put this amazing effort you guys are promoting towards a solution?? or towards donating money to the gulf fishermen. Get off your ass and do something about it, don't monday morning quarterback BP.

Signed,
An independent scholar and american veteran who has given everything to this country. 

oh, i thought it said "Lego"

nevermind 

mk11b said:

... Unless you don't drive/ride in a car, use electricity, or eat food that you didn't find yourself, then shut up.

So only the homeless can complain about BP? 

PowerWindows said:

So only the homeless can complain about BP?

No, he's saying enough with the knee-jerk reactionism.

Everybody is all "WHARGABL, SHUT DOWN BP!!!!!"

Then gas goes to $8 a gallon and those same people will be

"WHARGABL, WHY IS GAS SO EXPENSIVE? DAMN CORPORATIONS!" 

Yeah I understood his point, perhaps you missed mine. Everybody has an opinion and the right to express that opinion... Even if they are hypocrite freaks. 

We should give BP a bailout to make sure our gasoline stays cheap. 

mk11b said:

I love the site and typically agree with what you say but come on.
Get a life. This was a terribly unfortunate accident and I'm sure the evil people at BP would love to wake up and have this never have happened. And not only because of the money it cost them. But seriously, that car you drive to school and work every day, unless you want to pay $8 a gallon then the oil companies need to think of bigger, better, and more cost-effective ways to do business. Unless you don't drive/ride in a car, use electricity, or eat food that you didn't find yourself, then shut up. I'm just a regular joe, I don't work for oil or have any bias, so don't scream at me about being a right-wing texas oil man because I'm actually from Massachusetts and firmly believe in conservationism. But BP doesn't need to be vilified through the media. Lets put this amazing effort you guys are promoting towards a solution?? or towards donating money to the gulf fishermen. Get off your ass and do something about it, don't monday morning quarterback BP.

Signed,
An independent scholar and american veteran who has given everything to this country.

FUCK YOU.

But seriously,I was gonna take time outta my day to write a comprehensive counter-point to your diarrhea of the keyboard but then i thought WWBPD?

Well rather than fix the problem of ignorance let me just fan the flames of burning oil here.

$6.48/gal in netherlands, just $1.52 until capitalism in oil doesnt exist there anymore.
BP does not have to be vilified by the news media, their handling of this entire issue has vilified them enough.
I have been retrofitting my ROV with psi sensors up to 10k for a few weeks now so dont call my amazing effort into question.
I figure with my new found philosophy (wwbpd) I will get you a verbose answer in about 86 days.

Signed,
Someone who actually cares about others and an american veteran. 

Lack of corporate accountability destroys thousands, and in this case, possibly millions of lives in this world. I don't care that they are trying to save a buck so they can pass the savings on to the consumer (doesn't happen). If they can't find a way to safely and effectively be pumping oil, or at least have an effective contingency plan in place, they shouldn't be doing it.

And I don't give a fuck if you're a veteran or not. It doesn't make your opinion more valid than anyone else's. "Shut up if you use oil" isn't a valid or rational response. If there's a product that's killing people or causing catastrophic damage to the planet out of lack of corporate accountability, I won't buy it. In the case of oil, where there is literally no alternative to the vast majority of people in this world, it doesn't leave you with many other options. So for you you to say that we have no right to complain about a complete lack of accountability for someone that holds a death grip on one of the very few resources absolutely required for civilization as we know it to exist is asinine.

You wouldn't say "don't Monday morning quarterback the Russians for accidentally detonating a nuclear device off the coast of Naukan", and that kind of event would actually probably have less of a long-term effect on Alaska, and by proxy, America as a whole.

If a fuckup of this proportion isn't going to act as a catalyst for reformation of global business practice, then I think we're in for some pretty hard times. 

And about the veteran thing... I'm not trying to be a dick. I have over a dozen friends that are either former, active, or reserve military. I spend all day around them. I respect (and deeply appreciate) the contribution. It doesn't mean that there aren't some dumb motherfuckers that pull on their digis every morning to go out and fight for America. Trying to use veteran status as a way to put yourself or views above accountability is, in a way, essentially the same problem we are facing now. Just playing a relevant role in global affairs shouldn't place you above scrutiny and accountability. In fact, it should place you in a position where you are under more scrutiny and bear the burden of more accountability. 

Get over it, shit happens. Call me back when somebody drops a 10km rock on something. 

CONTROVERSIAL OPINION MADE IN A DEROGATORY AND INSULTING TONE ON THE INTERNET 

Cream Soda said:

CONTROVERSIAL OPINION MADE IN A DEROGATORY AND INSULTING TONE ON THE INTERNET

can that meme die already. The only time it was barely funny was when you read it the first time on bash.org 

CONTROVERSIAL OPINION MADE IN A DEROGATORY AND INSULTING TONE ON THE INTERNET

I thought it was funny, and I enjoyed it the most out of all the comments so far. 

Some of these logos are soooo terrible. 

Cream Soda said:

CONTROVERSIAL OPINION MADE IN A DEROGATORY AND INSULTING TONE ON THE INTERNET

http://bash.org/?23396 

over 1100 of essentially the same logo over and over and over again. very impressive. 

Catalyst said:

over 1100 of essentially the same logo over and over and over again. very impressive.

It's almost as if there's a general consensus or feeling towards BP by these people! 

What I find most concerning is the site itself. Rather than paying a professional graphic designer a reasonable wage to come up with concepts, a business can get hundreds of volunteer designers to tender at zero cost. How is that fair? I'd rather have one talented qnd experienced designer working with me on my brand than have hundreds of strangers submitting whatever they come up with so that I can ultimately pay only one of them for their work and tell the rest to gt lost. I hope no designer I'm paying is doing free spec for potential clients on my dime... 

But thats how an invitation to tenders usually works, A couple of entrants, only one lucky bish who gets the contract. 

Not all of the blame should go toward BP.
The time and energy spent blasting BP can be used for something more positive.
BP should continue to take responsibility for what is their fault and do what is appropriate for that.
If another fuel source is to be seriously considered for mobile needs, we need to implement a better infrastructure to support advancement. Regardless of whether or not its hydrogen or electric, the production of clean(er) energy (imo: nuclear) through a dispersing grid is crucial. 

arothman said:

What I find most concerning is the site itself. Rather than paying a professional graphic designer a reasonable wage to come up with concepts, a business can get hundreds of volunteer designers to tender at zero cost. How is that fair? I'd rather have one talented qnd experienced designer working with me on my brand than have hundreds of strangers submitting whatever they come up with so that I can ultimately pay only one of them for their work and tell the rest to gt lost. I hope no designer I'm paying is doing free spec for potential clients on my dime...

Welcome to freelancing, I'm your host ELance.com.

We 

dead said:

It's almost as if there's a general consensus or feeling towards BP lack of creativity by these people!

ftfy 

arothman said:

What I find most concerning is the site itself. Rather than paying a professional graphic designer a reasonable wage to come up with concepts, a business can get hundreds of volunteer designers to tender at zero cost. How is that fair? I'd rather have one talented qnd experienced designer working with me on my brand than have hundreds of strangers submitting whatever they come up with so that I can ultimately pay only one of them for their work and tell the rest to gt lost. I hope no designer I'm paying is doing free spec for potential clients on my dime...

This just in....the internet, while totes awesomesauce, has done away with an untold number of jobs. Whether replacing call centers with interactive webpages, crowdsourcing or just good old outsourcing. 

http://www.logomyway.com//logos_new/BPLogoRedesignContest_1746/thumb/BP.png I love this one. 

http://www.logomyway.com//logos_new/BP_1746/thumb/bp5.png Hahaha! Get it? Bee pee. 

DREW ALMIGHTY said:

This just in....the internet, while totes awesomesauce, has done away with an untold number of jobs. Whether replacing call centers with interactive webpages, crowdsourcing or just good old outsourcing.

Yeah, I get that. I'm just saying that it's shitty. Asking for hundreds of inferior logos to choose one that may be as good as the one you'd have gotten from an agency is not only detrimental to agencies, but also wastes the time of hundreds of people who could be making money doing something instead of throwing free work at you. 

Bunker said:

Not all of the blame should go toward BP.

Agreed, let's throw a little of that anger words the HNIC who sat on his ass and let however many millions of gallons of oil foul the ocean before he hemmed and hawed some more allowing the problem to get progressively worse. 

IT WAS ON PURPOSE!!!!!!11 

Paetrw said:

IT WAS ON PURPOSE!!!!!!11

Now it's on porpoise. 

In other news, its been capped. 4 days earlier than they said was likely. 

Bill Nye said:

$6.48/gal in netherlands, just $1.52 until capitalism in oil doesnt exist there anymore.

UK - $9.25/gal. No bullshit - I paid 125.9p/ltr today and it's about £1 : $1.65 atm. 

Bubba said:

Now it's on porpoise.

BA-ZING!

So I'm currently contracting as a Wellsite Geologist on an oil rig in western North Dakota. The whole process is startlingly safe, efficient, and clean!

It is my understanding that the reason offshore drilling has increased in the Gulf of Mexico is because of hardcore conservationists forcing them out there to protect the land from the "hazards" of onshore drilling.

Glad that worked out for them. 

My favourite:
http://www.logomyway.com/designerMessage.php?cid=1746&did=10270 

BP....biosphere pwned. 

DREW ALMIGHTY said:

This just in....the internet, while totes awesomesauce, has done away with an untold number of jobs. Whether replacing call centers with interactive webpages, crowdsourcing or just good old outsourcing.

DEY TURK OUR JERBS! 

Makoto said:

http://www.logomyway.com//logos_new/BPLogoRedesignContest_1746/thumb/BP.png I love this one.

Me too. That infamous original photo makes a great template. 

ncuskey said:

BA-ZING!

So I'm currently contracting as a Wellsite Geologist on an oil rig in western North Dakota. The whole process is startlingly safe, efficient, and clean!

It is my understanding that the reason offshore drilling has increased in the Gulf of Mexico is because of hardcore conservationists forcing them out there to protect the land from the "hazards" of onshore drilling.

Glad that worked out for them.

Funny how the only geologists who describe drilling operations as "startlingly safe, efficient, and clean!" are the ones working for drilling companies

It makes a fucking mess wherever you do it
And anyone who makes you clean it up is a 'hardcore conservationist'

To summarize, you suck balls and ass 

fenris said:

Funny how the only geologists who describe drilling operations as "startlingly safe, efficient, and clean!" are the ones working for drilling companies

It makes a fucking mess wherever you do it
And anyone who makes you clean it up is a 'hardcore conservationist'

To summarize, you suck balls and ass

How many oil fields have you visited? 

Plenty. There is a lot of crap that comes out of these wells besides oil
The operations in areas with strong environmental regulation are usually fairly neat, at least as far as waste disposal
The ones in depressed areas with little or no regulatory oversight are shitholes with open sludge pits, uncontrolled runoff, and piles of rusting broken machinery 

fenris said:

Plenty. There is a lot of crap that comes out of these wells besides oil
The operations in areas with strong environmental regulation are usually fairly neat, at least as far as waste disposal
The ones in depressed areas with little or no regulatory oversight are shitholes with open sludge pits, uncontrolled runoff, and piles of rusting broken machinery

Weird I haven't drilled any wells in the ghetto. The oil "fields" I've been in which include the following countries: USofA, Canada, Mexico, Japan, Australia, and Venezuela. Every one BUT Venezuela is nothing like you describe in your last statement.

The Venezuela work was on Maracaibo, and the locals cared even less about the environment than we did. 

im gonna have to go with ncuskey and Sangamon on this because unlike most of us internet warriors he actually seems to have some real world expirence 

The oil "fields" I've been in which include the following countries: USofA, Canada, Mexico, Japan, Australia, and Venezuela. Every one BUT Venezuela is nothing like you describe in your last statement.

The drilling operations I have seen are mostly located in Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, and New Mexico, and many of them are sloppy, foul, and toxic

Energy extraction is a dirty, earthy endeavor, and most companies will not clean up their mess unless they are made to do so 

Were you there during the drilling operations? I could see how to a layman it would appear to be dirty. To claim that they're toxic is a bit of a stretch however. I know it's the current popular thing to paint the big evil oil company picture. You're way off base in saying that "most" companies wouldn't clean up after themselves though. We're people too, and most of us care about the land and the earth, just as much as you. Hell sometimes more.

I won't side with the guy trying to blame environmentalists for the offshore push, because for most majors, land and offshore are 2 separate and independent business units.

In my opinion the BP spill was a catastrophic event. Could it have been prevented? Possibly. Was it entirely BP's fault? No. Did BP drop the ball in handling it? Yes. Could someone else have taken care of it? No, probably not, and especially not the government. The public however wanted a Harry Stamper to come save the day, and that just wasn't realistic.

Feel free to pile on though, it's the "in" thing to do. 

"There is not, never has been and never will be any downside in attacking an oil company,"

For example... 

The Wall Street Journal is as biased a publication as Mother Jones. Don't trot that shit out with a quote from a 'crisis management team' whose first inclination in a crisis is to cast aspersions at anyone who criticizes their client
The fact is BP's errant well just took one of a huge fishery out of production for lord knows how long and cast a devastating economic blow to an already hard-hit region
No one made them do it right, and they didn't
I like to believe there are drilling operations and personnel who know what they are doing and who give a shit about the quality of their work and health of their surroundings, in fact I am sure they exist because more wells don't blow out than do blow out
But this one was a clusterfuck, and it's difficult to see much on the upside of attacking this particular oil company -- lawyers will receive fees, rules will be remade and rebroken, and everyone will find a good sporting event or vampire show to think about in the meantime

There is actually no downside to disparaging the local populations in the areas you foul, because they are relatively powerless in the face of any oil company and it's crisis management firm

*Caveat
While BP and the Deepwater Horizon incident are most certainly the result of a drilling operation, the revolting sludge covered mess in the well fields I have encountered is probably more specifically the result of poor pumping and storage procedures, rather than drilling
However, these activities are fingers on the hand of energy extraction, which I maintain is a by nature a dirty endeavor, however unavoidably necessary it may be to industrial civilization. It must be regulated to keep the dishonest and unethical players from shirking their responsibilities, because the consequences of them doing so are demonstrably grave and far-reaching 

"White people are so upset over this oil. If I had any idea at how upset they would get, I would have spilled oil years ago!" -- Paul Mooney