Holy shit. Srs bsns!
http://www.forumula1.net/2009/f1/f1-news/renault-investigation-hots-up-as-symond s-is-offered-immunity/
Looks like they've got it in for Flav. Brundle reckons Renault might fire him out before Monday.
Looks like they've got it in for Flav. Brundle reckons Renault might fire him out before Monday.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8256739.stm
Bloody hell, it's all go today.
Quick summary if you can't be arsed to read. BMW sold to a Swiss buyer but are placed as 'first reserves' on the list of entrants, as the 13 vacancies have now been fulfilled with the acceptance of Lotus. However, FIA will be consulting with the existing teams to see if they would agree to the grid being expanded to accomodate BMW/ whatever they are going to be called. BUT, they might not have to if Toyota and Renault walk. I can see Toyota going as the Jap overlords are not going to throw money at an unsuccessful venture for much longer. As for Renault, if they get a fine as big as Mclaren had last year, they'll get out quicker than ....a quick thing.
Bloody hell, it's all go today.
Quick summary if you can't be arsed to read. BMW sold to a Swiss buyer but are placed as 'first reserves' on the list of entrants, as the 13 vacancies have now been fulfilled with the acceptance of Lotus. However, FIA will be consulting with the existing teams to see if they would agree to the grid being expanded to accomodate BMW/ whatever they are going to be called. BUT, they might not have to if Toyota and Renault walk. I can see Toyota going as the Jap overlords are not going to throw money at an unsuccessful venture for much longer. As for Renault, if they get a fine as big as Mclaren had last year, they'll get out quicker than ....a quick thing.
The whole operation is being turned into a massive joke.
Fucking Bernie...
Fucking Bernie...
Holy shit! Holy shit!
Holy shit!!!
.... what?
.... what?
[sarcasm]
that's what I love about the F1
the shit that happens in the circus is getting more interesting than the races themselves
[/sarcasm]
that's what I love about the F1
the shit that happens in the circus is getting more interesting than the races themselves
[/sarcasm]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/renault/6199553/Flavio-Br iatore-and-Pat-Symonds-face-extraditon-threat-over-race-fixing-scandal.html
It's a bit sensationalist but interesting nonetheless.
It's a bit sensationalist but interesting nonetheless.
"The WMSC considers that offences of this severity merit permanent disqualification from the FIA Formula One World Championship.
"However, in particular the steps taken by Renault F1 to identify and address the failings within its team and condemn the actions of the individuals involved, the WMSC has decided to suspend Renault F1's disqualification until the end of the 2011 season."
"However, in particular the steps taken by Renault F1 to identify and address the failings within its team and condemn the actions of the individuals involved, the WMSC has decided to suspend Renault F1's disqualification until the end of the 2011 season."
That's all? The WMSC need a bigger ban-hammer.
I think it's quite fair. A mandatory slap on the wrist for Renault and a big ban for Briatore from anything to do with F1. I think it would have been harsh for the Renault workforce to have been sanctioned against the actions of the egotistical prat.
A bit stale, but worth listening to if you have a spare hour and a half:
FIA vs. Flavio Briatore hearing and conclusions
FIA vs. Flavio Briatore hearing and conclusions
Just downloaded the pdf of all the evidence. Looks like interesting reading so far.
I crashed on purpose, but it aint my fault man
The transcript of the radio comms is very interesting reading indeed.
hamilton said he expectes to see piquet back in f1. i don't think any other team would touch him.
Could be difficult to get a license:
[quote=From years back...]The granting of Superlicences in Formula 1 is a subjective business. There are rules written out in the FIA Formula 1 Sporting Regulations but these are not clear. Article 10 of this code states that all drivers, competitors and officials participating in the Championship must hold a Superlicence and that applications must be made to the FIA through the application's national sporting authority but there are no lists of qualifications necessary. All that remains nowadays in the International Sporting Code is a clause which states that the FIA "reserves the right to refuse the issuing of a Superlicence without having to give reasons for this".
There was a time when one had to win a major Formula 3 title (or equivalent, Adam) to qualify for a Superlicence but now it seems that all you have to do is convince the Formula 1 Commission that you will not be danger to other drivers and that you are fast enough to warrant a licence.
History is not a good guide because Superlicences have been granted to the likes of Taki Inoue, Giovanni Lavaggi and Jean-Denis Deletraz while they have been refused to Sandro Nannini and Hideki Noda, despite the fact that both were obviously capable and competent to race in F1. In recent years the F1 Commission has stipulated that youngsters must complete 1250 miles of testing (still the case now, as applied to Dutchman Minardi 3rd driiver Landers this year, forcing him to miss the first Round) before the start of the season and if they do nothing stupid they will be given the licence. This was used in the cases of Esteban Tuero, Jenson Button and Gastone Mazzacane. As part of the arrangement the drivers in question have to complete a full race distance at racing speed to show that they will not fall asleep at the wheel.
But all of the people applying for licences were experienced in Formula 3 racing at the very least. Raikkonen can only claim to have done 23 car races in his life and they have been in Formula Renault.
Knowing the rules of Formula 1 is an important issue and a driver like Raikkonen who has catapulted straight to Formula 1 will not have the same understanding of the regulations as a driver would if he has done two years in Formula 3000. But learning the rules is just a matter of time and application by a driver. The other basic qualification is knowing how to behave on a race track. After just one season in Formula Renault there may be one or two question marks about whether Raikkonen knows enough. He is experienced in karting but the driving behavior between karts and single-seater racing is not identical.
[quote=From years back...]The granting of Superlicences in Formula 1 is a subjective business. There are rules written out in the FIA Formula 1 Sporting Regulations but these are not clear. Article 10 of this code states that all drivers, competitors and officials participating in the Championship must hold a Superlicence and that applications must be made to the FIA through the application's national sporting authority but there are no lists of qualifications necessary. All that remains nowadays in the International Sporting Code is a clause which states that the FIA "reserves the right to refuse the issuing of a Superlicence without having to give reasons for this".
There was a time when one had to win a major Formula 3 title (or equivalent, Adam) to qualify for a Superlicence but now it seems that all you have to do is convince the Formula 1 Commission that you will not be danger to other drivers and that you are fast enough to warrant a licence.
History is not a good guide because Superlicences have been granted to the likes of Taki Inoue, Giovanni Lavaggi and Jean-Denis Deletraz while they have been refused to Sandro Nannini and Hideki Noda, despite the fact that both were obviously capable and competent to race in F1. In recent years the F1 Commission has stipulated that youngsters must complete 1250 miles of testing (still the case now, as applied to Dutchman Minardi 3rd driiver Landers this year, forcing him to miss the first Round) before the start of the season and if they do nothing stupid they will be given the licence. This was used in the cases of Esteban Tuero, Jenson Button and Gastone Mazzacane. As part of the arrangement the drivers in question have to complete a full race distance at racing speed to show that they will not fall asleep at the wheel.
But all of the people applying for licences were experienced in Formula 3 racing at the very least. Raikkonen can only claim to have done 23 car races in his life and they have been in Formula Renault.
Knowing the rules of Formula 1 is an important issue and a driver like Raikkonen who has catapulted straight to Formula 1 will not have the same understanding of the regulations as a driver would if he has done two years in Formula 3000. But learning the rules is just a matter of time and application by a driver. The other basic qualification is knowing how to behave on a race track. After just one season in Formula Renault there may be one or two question marks about whether Raikkonen knows enough. He is experienced in karting but the driving behavior between karts and single-seater racing is not identical.
Oops, tag fail.
Continued:
Potentially huge questions about Piquet's integrity are there. Yes, he felt (he says) that he had to do it to ty to keep his contract, but he still did it.
Continued:
There does not seem to be an issue as to whether Raikkonen is fast enough. He was seventh quickest on the first day of testing in Jerez so he clearly has more than a vague idea of how to drive a racing car.
Some argue that if Raikkonen is granted a Superlicence it will only be a matter of time before a kart racer is signed up by an F1 team and applies for a Superlicence with absolutely no experience in open-wheelers. If the FIA grants him a licence there is a very strong argument that it could not refuse a top kartist (extremely unlikley, Adam).
But it is more than just a question of experience and knowledge. The FIA must take into account the legal ramifications of what would happen if a young driver were to cause an accident which claims the life of one of the sport's stars. It could happen and the FIA would be responsible (and therefore potentially to blame) if such an accident occurred. The sport must protect itself from lawyers who would claim that the governing body was acting irresponsibly.
At the same time there is a political argument as well which must be looked at. If the good drivers are being hired from Formula Renault and even karting, what is the point of having the feeder series such as Formula 3 and Formula 3000. They serve no real purpose if drivers can jump straight from the small cars into F1. This has always been argument against Formula 3000 because when you analyze previous years it is clear that the very best F1 talents come straight from Formula 3 while the top F3000 are not always guaranteed F1 drives. This year the top three in the Formula 3000 series have not gone into F1. The champion and the runner-up have gone to CART and the man who finished third is staying in the series and acting as test driver for an F1 team.
Another point which the F1 Commission needs to discuss is whether it is the right moment to make such a decision. At the moment everyone in Formula 1 seems to have been bitten by Button Fever. Everyone wants to find the new superstar and they are looking further afield than ever before. But at the same time they are ignoring some proven talents in the hope that hiring Formula Fords drivers will bring them a goldmine.
The announcement that BAR has signed up Anthony Davidson as a test driver is a case in point. Davidson may be brilliant but all he has done to date is win a couple of races and the Formula Ford Festival. He did not even win the British FF1600 title. And one has to wonder how anyone can make such a decision when there are drivers of the calibre Giorgio Pantano and Antonio Pizzonia wandering around without F1 deals. The F1 world has gone mad about youngsters.
And that leads to another set of questions. Is it right to open the way from youngsters to jump straight into F1 from the junior formulae. This will increase the pressure on all young drivers. That will mean that they will be more desperate to be successful at a younger age and given the poor example set for them by some of the F1 stars of the modern era this will mean there will be more accidents. People will get hurt. At the same time the crashes one is seeing in the junior formulae make racing less interesting as there are so many red flag incidents at the start of races.
There is a strong argument also that allowing young drivers to do too much too soon is actually doing them no good at all. If they want to survive in Formula 1 in the long term they need to learn the skills of the job. They will be better and more rounded drivers if they are allowed to develop a little more slowly and that will mean that they may be able to last longer in Grand Prix racing. The kids who arrive now must deliver or they will be written off. No-one would think of appointing someone who has just finished secondary education to be a college professor.
This is what Formula 1 is proposing to do with Raikkonen.
Whether the Formula 1 Commission will even discuss all these issues is doubtful. They will probably look at the timesheets and say "OK". Most of those on the Commission are not there because they have the interests of the sport at heart. They are there because they happen to own F1 teams and one could argue that they are not the best men to judge what is best for the sport in the long term.
Some argue that if Raikkonen is granted a Superlicence it will only be a matter of time before a kart racer is signed up by an F1 team and applies for a Superlicence with absolutely no experience in open-wheelers. If the FIA grants him a licence there is a very strong argument that it could not refuse a top kartist (extremely unlikley, Adam).
But it is more than just a question of experience and knowledge. The FIA must take into account the legal ramifications of what would happen if a young driver were to cause an accident which claims the life of one of the sport's stars. It could happen and the FIA would be responsible (and therefore potentially to blame) if such an accident occurred. The sport must protect itself from lawyers who would claim that the governing body was acting irresponsibly.
At the same time there is a political argument as well which must be looked at. If the good drivers are being hired from Formula Renault and even karting, what is the point of having the feeder series such as Formula 3 and Formula 3000. They serve no real purpose if drivers can jump straight from the small cars into F1. This has always been argument against Formula 3000 because when you analyze previous years it is clear that the very best F1 talents come straight from Formula 3 while the top F3000 are not always guaranteed F1 drives. This year the top three in the Formula 3000 series have not gone into F1. The champion and the runner-up have gone to CART and the man who finished third is staying in the series and acting as test driver for an F1 team.
Another point which the F1 Commission needs to discuss is whether it is the right moment to make such a decision. At the moment everyone in Formula 1 seems to have been bitten by Button Fever. Everyone wants to find the new superstar and they are looking further afield than ever before. But at the same time they are ignoring some proven talents in the hope that hiring Formula Fords drivers will bring them a goldmine.
The announcement that BAR has signed up Anthony Davidson as a test driver is a case in point. Davidson may be brilliant but all he has done to date is win a couple of races and the Formula Ford Festival. He did not even win the British FF1600 title. And one has to wonder how anyone can make such a decision when there are drivers of the calibre Giorgio Pantano and Antonio Pizzonia wandering around without F1 deals. The F1 world has gone mad about youngsters.
And that leads to another set of questions. Is it right to open the way from youngsters to jump straight into F1 from the junior formulae. This will increase the pressure on all young drivers. That will mean that they will be more desperate to be successful at a younger age and given the poor example set for them by some of the F1 stars of the modern era this will mean there will be more accidents. People will get hurt. At the same time the crashes one is seeing in the junior formulae make racing less interesting as there are so many red flag incidents at the start of races.
There is a strong argument also that allowing young drivers to do too much too soon is actually doing them no good at all. If they want to survive in Formula 1 in the long term they need to learn the skills of the job. They will be better and more rounded drivers if they are allowed to develop a little more slowly and that will mean that they may be able to last longer in Grand Prix racing. The kids who arrive now must deliver or they will be written off. No-one would think of appointing someone who has just finished secondary education to be a college professor.
This is what Formula 1 is proposing to do with Raikkonen.
Whether the Formula 1 Commission will even discuss all these issues is doubtful. They will probably look at the timesheets and say "OK". Most of those on the Commission are not there because they have the interests of the sport at heart. They are there because they happen to own F1 teams and one could argue that they are not the best men to judge what is best for the sport in the long term.
Potentially huge questions about Piquet's integrity are there. Yes, he felt (he says) that he had to do it to ty to keep his contract, but he still did it.
Summary:
solution: introduce women drivers.
When they crash, they will blame someone else, but everyone will know its the drivers fault, plus you dont have to pay them as much money.
Danica patrick, indi car driver
Bitches of F1 Wiki
Damn kids, get off the lawn track
solution: introduce women drivers.
When they crash, they will blame someone else, but everyone will know its the drivers fault, plus you dont have to pay them as much money.
Danica patrick, indi car driver
Bitches of F1 Wiki
Was reading an interview with Peter Windsor the other day. He reckoned that Danica P would go to NASCAR because she would be guaranteed to earn 10s of millions from day 1.
she might not interested in switching her career just for money
Danica Patrick, while pretty hot, is completely devoid of a brain.
She's also lacking any real driving skill, I can say with a fair amount of confidence, that she'd be spending her whole season at the back of the grid, if she were to join F1.
She's also lacking any real driving skill, I can say with a fair amount of confidence, that she'd be spending her whole season at the back of the grid, if she were to join F1.
ecclestone reckons briatore's ban is too harsh, asks him to appeal.
Midge, I am sort of confused about what you posted vs. the statement about Piquet's integrity. It looks unrelated.
Danica Patrick is along the same lines as Sarah Silverman. She's pretty hot compared to everyone else in her field (i.e. race car drivers, comediennes), and good at her job compared to other pretty hot chicks, but if you remove her from those settings, she's really just okay-looking and not particularly stellar at her job.
Danica Patrick is along the same lines as Sarah Silverman. She's pretty hot compared to everyone else in her field (i.e. race car drivers, comediennes), and good at her job compared to other pretty hot chicks, but if you remove her from those settings, she's really just okay-looking and not particularly stellar at her job.
The quote was really just an overview of the Superlicence - wasn't part of the punishment that anyone associated with Briatore would lose their Superlicence (and not be able to drive) unless picked up by someone else? And on a driver being taken under someone else's management, I imagine they would have to reapply for the licence, so the requirements suddenly become quite important:
Could the FIA then be able to defend accepting a driver who has intentionally crashed his car to cheat?
Though in saying that... he'd be the least likely person to break the rules again if he stayed racing.
that you will not be danger to other drivers ... Knowing the rules of Formula 1 is an important issue ... knowing how to behave on a race track ... The FIA must take into account the legal ramifications of what would happen if a young driver were to cause an accident ... The sport must protect itself from lawyers who would claim that the governing body was acting irresponsibly.
Could the FIA then be able to defend accepting a driver who has intentionally crashed his car to cheat?
Though in saying that... he'd be the least likely person to break the rules again if he stayed racing.
oh god, it would have been awesome if sjkhskjshksjhskjhskjhksjhsjkhskjshjkshsjkh made a return, but he didnt SO ITS ALL GONE TO SHIT
I hear the FIA is moving to mandate the Anglicization of all drivers' names...
Really? I'm not sure if that's a kid-on post or not :p
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8280566.stm
BLOODY HELL!!!!!!!!! (didn't see this coming!!!!!!!!!!)
BLOODY HELL!!!!!!!!! (didn't see this coming!!!!!!!!!!)
It was a pretty badly kept secret, didn't you know? I'm sure they were talking about it recently on a race show.
I forgot to add [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] :-)
So this is the day that the floodgates start.
Kimi Raikkonen to McLaren
Bob Kubica to Renault
Heiki Kovaleinen to Williams
Nico Rosberg to Brawn GP
Rubens Barrichello to Williams
... who else?
Kimi Raikkonen to McLaren
Bob Kubica to Renault
Heiki Kovaleinen to Williams
Nico Rosberg to Brawn GP
Rubens Barrichello to Williams
... who else?
rumors say Alonso goes to Ferrari
No way.
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man, I just wanted to complete the list
I think they should just pull name from a hat each year
Beautiful drive by Vettel. That kid is going to be one for the history books.
button is going to win by default, kinda
he's not as good perhaps, as the early part of the year suggested.
in other news, my gonad is itchy and I need a poo, Im going to the toilet to resolve both issues.
he's not as good perhaps, as the early part of the year suggested.
in other news, my gonad is itchy and I need a poo, Im going to the toilet to resolve both issues.
In the race Button is driving as well or better than anyone else. He always makes up places, either with good overtaking moves or by putting in great times to jump ahead at pit stops. As shown recently with Kubica and Hamilton he also copes well when pressured by a following driver. His problem is qualifying, he was slightly unlucky at Suzuka with the yellow flags, but he always leaves himself with more to do than he should.
He's outdriven his team mate in the majority of races and made fewer mistakes than Webber. A certain number of F1 'fans' are very fickle. It seems that unless divers produce Schumacheresque attacks on the championship, then they are undeserving of the title. However, if they do produce championship years in that fashion then it's boring.
If Button finishes the season with more points he will be champion, end of argument. Does he deserve it? Yes because he scored more points than anyone else. ( He has more wins also meaning that if they dwarf had had his way then Button would already be champion, but that is a completely different argument.)
I think it would be difficult to argue against the fact that Button is feeling the pressure and is not as complete a driver as he was at the beginning of the season, but he did enough at the start of the season.
If Button finishes the season with more points he will be champion, end of argument. Does he deserve it? Yes because he scored more points than anyone else. ( He has more wins also meaning that if they dwarf had had his way then Button would already be champion, but that is a completely different argument.)
I think it would be difficult to argue against the fact that Button is feeling the pressure and is not as complete a driver as he was at the beginning of the season, but he did enough at the start of the season.
My gonad is itchy
again
formular 1
again
formular 1
Out of curiosity, why do you keep coming in here and posting retarded shit like that as though it's interesting or funny?
Just for your amusement dickhead,
dont you know? evey post I make is just for you.
dont you know? evey post I make is just for you.
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