about 2 years or so ago we tried the Fazed Writers Group. I closed due to lack of interest. So I bring it up again. Giving us all a place to post tidbits of our writings, perhaps share whole stories and offer suggestions and advice and of course, the occasional insult.
So, whose interested?
To help start the thread, my main problem for the moment is Prologues. I tend to put too much or too little in them. And when I put too little I go back through and put too much. I'm not exactly sure what all goes into a prologue. I have an idea but with some of my stories I seem to have butchered that idea.
So, whose interested?
To help start the thread, my main problem for the moment is Prologues. I tend to put too much or too little in them. And when I put too little I go back through and put too much. I'm not exactly sure what all goes into a prologue. I have an idea but with some of my stories I seem to have butchered that idea.
You should probably just not write prologues.
^Good idea.
well in the case of no prologues, how would I start the book?
what are the prologues for? scene or character development? historical development?
what is the purpose for it that's causing it to be such a necessary crutch?
what is the purpose for it that's causing it to be such a necessary crutch?
well in the case of no prologues, how would I start the book?
Chapter One: The Beginning of Every Other Book
how would I start the book?
I knew this guy back in college, real post-modern experimental type,
Who always insisted on starting novels with the first chapter,
And short stories with an opening paragraph.
rabbiwanna said:
I knew this guy back in college, real post-modern experimental type,
Who always insisted on starting novels with the first chapter,
And short stories with an opening paragraph.
I knew this guy back in college, real post-modern experimental type,
Who always insisted on starting novels with the first chapter,
And short stories with an opening paragraph.
I hear that guy is a lazy asshole these days.
I hear he waits tables now, and lives off of saltines and Wendy's Chili.
From: Dr Funk N Stein sounds like a 3 year old with a P.h.D. in Spaniards
Date: 8/11/07 @ 2:11 PM
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I hear he waits tables now, and lives off of saltines and Wendy's Chili.
You know, I pictured that in my head and threw up in my mouth a little.
Wendy's chili makes me shudder.
I hear that guy is a lazy asshole these days.
...
He's not so bad.
Anyway, VesperDrow,
Were you planning on using this thread for the purpose,
Or did you have another format in mind?
Were you planning on using this thread for the purpose,
Or did you have another format in mind?
rabbiwanna said:
...
He's not so bad.
...
He's not so bad.
He lost his edge.
Anyway, VesperDrow,
Were you planning on using this thread for the purpose,
Or did you have another format in mind?
Were you planning on using this thread for the purpose,
Or did you have another format in mind?
I was planning on using this thread for any writer who needed help or wanted to share their creations.
I remember the last time we tried this.
I posted a few things and only one person sent me an email with detailed comments.
I'd be willing to try it again, but I would like to see how this goes first.
It's a good idea.
I posted a few things and only one person sent me an email with detailed comments.
I'd be willing to try it again, but I would like to see how this goes first.
It's a good idea.
i think it will work as long as it's not such a serious affair.
write prologues and introductions after the story is finished.
if you're outlining, you should not get tripped up with the prologue.
if you're outlining, you should not get tripped up with the prologue.
I used to just write, figuring "let the words flow" and all that crap, never worrying about outlining. After way to many meandering stories and scripts, I do a detailed outline. It's much less exciting than just sitting and writing, but for me, it helps to know where I'm going.
How do you propose sharing stuff? I like the idea, but not sure how to link to a script....
How do you propose sharing stuff? I like the idea, but not sure how to link to a script....
Who wastes time writing a prologue?
That was the problem last time around. The comments went something like this: "LOL, that's a good story." Albeit funny, but not helpful in any kind of constructive way.
I think it will work as long as it's not such a serious affair.
That was the problem last time around. The comments went something like this: "LOL, that's a good story." Albeit funny, but not helpful in any kind of constructive way.
I have to let the words flow. I decided to write a series, though each part will stand alone somewhat, just linked to the other part.
I think it would be an interesting idea for 2 characters from 2 books to come together shortly, complete whatever goal and then go there seperate ways.
as for sharing stuff, we can either post small portions here or email for the more serious.
I think it would be an interesting idea for 2 characters from 2 books to come together shortly, complete whatever goal and then go there seperate ways.
as for sharing stuff, we can either post small portions here or email for the more serious.
hot glue daddy said:
write prologues and introductions after the story is finished.
if you're outlining, you should not get tripped up with the prologue.
write prologues and introductions after the story is finished.
if you're outlining, you should not get tripped up with the prologue.
I think this is the right(write?) idea. Is the prologue there to give the reader some place to stand, some necessary information in order to make the rest of the story intriguing and/or coherent? One could make the argument that if this is the case, then the story itself needs fleshed out so that those details are interwoven into the telling, rather than as an info dump to 'prep' the reader for the story itself.
Having said that, I haven't written anything longer than a few hundred words since college, so I may not be your best source of information.
Volshebnik said:
Who wastes time writing a prologue?
That was the problem last time around. The comments went something like this: "LOL, that's a good story." Albeit funny, but not helpful in any kind of constructive way.
Who wastes time writing a prologue?
That was the problem last time around. The comments went something like this: "LOL, that's a good story." Albeit funny, but not helpful in any kind of constructive way.
a forum can't replace what an email group defined in a marketplace.
Were you involved in that last one?
I can't remember.
I can't remember.
I don't write novels. I have a history of writing prose poetry and I journal. Writing is a great creative outlet for me, regardless if it is any good. I have wanted to start writing poetry again. I will post what I write, when I do. Are all posts fair game to critique? I say if you post it, get ready for some honest comments. It would be neat to see a piece posted, discussed, edited, then posted again.
so nobody has any writing to share? i'd hate to see this thread disappear...
i haven't done much writing lately, kinda reviewing my old stories and wondering where to go with them. my wife usually does most of my editing, but she's been busy and hasn't had time to convert my stories from screenplay style writing.
i have alot of work to do =/
i haven't done much writing lately, kinda reviewing my old stories and wondering where to go with them. my wife usually does most of my editing, but she's been busy and hasn't had time to convert my stories from screenplay style writing.
i have alot of work to do =/
This prologue thing is an artificial crutch.
The prologue is only worthwhile when you've got a lot of background the reader's gonna need to know, like in what year the what guy did what thing to something and all the events of the book revolve around that event.
Otherwise, some good description in the first few paragraphs should set the stage nicely. Unless you're writing some kinda detective novel; then you just start.
Otherwise, some good description in the first few paragraphs should set the stage nicely. Unless you're writing some kinda detective novel; then you just start.
"the dame walked into my office like a storm in the night, she had nice gams from what i could see of the getaway stick region"
I think someone should build a plinko board that writes it's own detective story.
Prologue She wore the shorts again today, her slight belly peeping from behind the studded belt. She caught me looking. "I hate drizzle. It should either rain, or it shouldn't," she spit out, as if the words were poison. She thumbed her tube top, locking green eyes on my face. My posture and expression are calculated to betray nothing. To her predatory mind, this likely betrays everything. "Are you not talking to me again?" she quizzed. "I didn't realize that was a conversation starter." "What are you doing tonight?" "Something else." Her eyes flashed as she laughed. I hate her.
tentative title:
Why I Bought a Gun: A Window into Maladaptive Histrionic Personality Disorder
I dunno if poetry is valid but i wrote this on a plane.
I don't expect a difference,
but things don't seem the same,
the women ive been watching,
for hours on a plane,
It makes a funny valentine,
I like to guess their names,
To see them sleeping softly,
My heart i cannot tame,
Gentle breathes caress me,
Move slowly, stop the sun,
For if it rises we can never be one,
Once you've all awoken,
the innocence is gone,
and they will leave forever,
my love under the stars.
I don't expect a difference,
but things don't seem the same,
the women ive been watching,
for hours on a plane,
It makes a funny valentine,
I like to guess their names,
To see them sleeping softly,
My heart i cannot tame,
Gentle breathes caress me,
Move slowly, stop the sun,
For if it rises we can never be one,
Once you've all awoken,
the innocence is gone,
and they will leave forever,
my love under the stars.
holy crap I forgot about this thread. Been busy.
but yeah, anything is valid.
cool poem though.
but yeah, anything is valid.
cool poem though.
From: swizzlestick should not be used if you are nursing, pregnant, or could become pregnant
Date: 9/4/07 @ 2:37 AM
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My creative writing instructor always assigns an interesting sort of activity on the first day of each of his classes:
You're supposed to take the last two times you felt, very strongly, a single emotion and, without using the name of any emotion, explain in a single sentence what was different between the two times you felt that emotion. Then, on the next day of class, everybody writes their sentences on the chalkboard or whiteboard or wall or whatever and the class examines them.
So, for example, you could say something as obvious as "The difference was [blah blah blah]," or you could go a little more esoteric.
I've always liked that assignment.
You're supposed to take the last two times you felt, very strongly, a single emotion and, without using the name of any emotion, explain in a single sentence what was different between the two times you felt that emotion. Then, on the next day of class, everybody writes their sentences on the chalkboard or whiteboard or wall or whatever and the class examines them.
So, for example, you could say something as obvious as "The difference was [blah blah blah]," or you could go a little more esoteric.
I've always liked that assignment.
baba give item said:
tentative title:
Why I Bought a Gun: A Window into Maladaptive Histrionic Personality Disorder
tentative title:
Why I Bought a Gun: A Window into Maladaptive Histrionic Personality Disorder
Based on what you posted?
I would buy that book.
thanks!
From: dooky
Last one expired...
Last one expired...
No, it didn't.
Thanks rabbs.
So..again...background, I wrote this for someone I really care about earlier today.
So..again...background, I wrote this for someone I really care about earlier today.
It is truly a wondrous masterpiece of collaborative composition that you and I should have battled a synonymous virtue, emerging wounded and begging for armistice. Chords continue to parallel as we build our empires and declare redemption from the horrors and devastations of those formerly secure and lavish romances. But now a dichotomous theme arises that demands heed of our innermost governance; one that must be fulfilled to ensure the prosperity of what lies ahead for both us and what we aspire to be.
An uncertainty in the purity of it all, though causes me to murmur, and rouses familiar terrors within me. A loss for description beyond this, and a prayer, or perhaps idle hope that you will not let this go unnoticed.
Where are you?
An uncertainty in the purity of it all, though causes me to murmur, and rouses familiar terrors within me. A loss for description beyond this, and a prayer, or perhaps idle hope that you will not let this go unnoticed.
Where are you?
That was a sweet present for your mom.
That wasn't for my mom. I know where she is...I think
/quasi-instinctively calls bub.
/quasi-instinctively calls bub.
BURN!!!!
Actually that was pretty weak.
Can I use other people's words to express myself here?
Actually that was pretty weak.
Can I use other people's words to express myself here?
Words don't belong to anyone. Go ahead.
Sweet.
I don't want you to cook my bread,
I don't want you to make my bed,
I don't want your money too,
I just wanna make love to you.
I don't want you to cook my bread,
I don't want you to make my bed,
I don't want your money too,
I just wanna make love to you.
Okay, I said words. Not complete stanzas...
Look, those are words man.
Don't hold me down with your rules...
Don't hold me down with your rules...
Machine gun the circuits
chaos disorganized, twice bent, but worth it
Thrice unfurled wrought spirals thought twice make you hurl
infinity's henchmen sought behind the edge of the eyes brought
venomous banshees, plot hidden, with traitorous lies
I just fleshed this out of a skeleton of something it used to be.
chaos disorganized, twice bent, but worth it
Thrice unfurled wrought spirals thought twice make you hurl
infinity's henchmen sought behind the edge of the eyes brought
venomous banshees, plot hidden, with traitorous lies
I just fleshed this out of a skeleton of something it used to be.
spam^
I'll take that as a compliment.
I would expect Fazer critics to be highly counterproductive. I would, strangely, however, think they could be quite motivating.
I seem to always generate ideas, I just can't seem to sit and type.
I seem to always generate ideas, I just can't seem to sit and type.
They are pretty motivating. Tough love or something.
Type them anyway. Really. Even if it's 2 lines.
Type them anyway. Really. Even if it's 2 lines.
is this thing going to fly? can there be a specific topic to write about? like the photog thread or what?
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