From: GhostGuy thinks Marlon Brando is hot
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 12:33 AM
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It's about time we have a real general firearm thread around here.
This is the thread where you can discuss/ask questions about/show off firearms.
I'll start us off.
I've been shooting for a bit over a year. I've fired quite a few different guns, from a North American Arms .22 mini-revolver to a Shilo Sharps rifle chambered in 45-70. I've fired guns made in the 1870's, maybe even older. Most of the more exotic guns I've fired belong to my dads friend, who has a ridiculous amount of guns and is quite generous with ammunition since he reloads in probably around 15 calibers :)
Ever since I started shooting, my dad and I have acquired 9 firearms (6 pistols, 3 rifles) and we have another pistol on the way. We currently reload 4 calibers and have 2 presses, a Lee turret press and a Dillon 550 progressive press.
My dad and I started shooting because he had some extra money lying around ever since he stopped drinking. The money he's saving by not going to bars (Along with a bunch of extra overtime. But he was spending a retarded amount of money at bars) is enough to fund out gun habit.

Here's an outdated pic of the family.
The top rifle is a model 1969 romanian trainer (.22 bolt action)
The rifle under that is a Ruger 10/22 (.22 semi-automatic)
The pistol on the left of the top row is a Ruger GP100 (.357 / .38 Revolver)
The pistol in the middle of the top row is a Springfield XD-40 tactical (.40 semi-auto)
The pistol on the right of the top row is a Smith and Wesson 22A1 (.22 semi-auto)
The pistol on the left of the bottom row is a Springfield 1911 (.45 semi-auto)
The pistol on the right of the bottom row is a Ruger P97 (.45 semi-auto)

This is our Colt Commander, purchased a little while after the group picture was taken. (.45 semi-auto)

Here's the Ruger Police Carbine .40 (PC4) we just picked up today. (.40 semi-auto)

PS: If the other thread qualifies as the official firearm thread I wont mind if this gets locked. However if this thread gets locked could somebody change the name of the other thread to something a bit more general? It'd feel a bit more welcoming to those of us that aren't asking for advice about handguns :) 
From: whaley
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 12:47 AM
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the gun show started friday at the ks expocentre on friday, supported mostly by the nra
and a friend of mine went there and bought a 9mm pistol without id, check, or anything
hes expecting the forms in the mail in 3-4 weeks
it made me scared and nervous. i fuckin hate guns. 
From: onemanarmy - Canada
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 12:47 AM
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I fired Donald Trump (the nickname for my .45). 
From: the RainKing 14 - Don't think! Feeel.
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 12:50 AM
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As a former Marine, the M-16 will always be my favorite.

Accurate from 500 yards with no scope.

That's about all I know. 
From: extropian ...
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 12:54 AM
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Mine. 
From: extropian ...
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 12:59 AM
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Next pistol. (in .480)

Next rifle. (in .338) 
From: Putang Ina Mo scratch a lover find a foe
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 1:07 AM
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Very cool guns GhostGuy.

Invest is a gun safe, you can have them custom made and they look cool. . . . http://www.libertysafe.com/safegallery.lasso 
From: GhostGuy thinks Marlon Brando is hot
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 1:17 AM
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As a former Marine, the M-16 will always be my favorite.

Accurate from 500 yards with no scope.

That's about all I know.

I hear people say stuff like that about certain rifled very often, but I just cant understand how it would work. Personally, I dont think I'd be able to even see a person very well at 500 yards without a scope, let alone be able to hit them. I've never fired at a range of more than 100 yards though. I could probably keep my shots on a human sized target at 100 yards with iron sights, but at 500 yards? I dont think there's any way in hell that I'd be able to do that.

Invest is a gun safe, you can have them custom made and they look cool

How'd you know I was in the market for a safe?
I already have a safe that's big enough for my pistols, but I dont have one for the long guns yet (Should be getting one in a couple weeks though). The rifles are currently in my closet and the pistols are in the safe. Except for my GP100 and PC4 (Home defense lineup), which are easily accessible to me yet out of sight, along with a speed loader of .357 and a magazine of .40. I'd rather be able to get to them and not need them, rather then need them and not be able to get to them. 
From: whaley
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 1:26 AM
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i was robbed at gunpoint when i was 14-15, in burbank on my way home from school to sherman oaks. i just threw my whole wallet at him & ran the fuck away. i wasnt gonna die for no fuckin $6. 
From: Putang Ina Mo scratch a lover find a foe
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 1:32 AM
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i was robbed at gunpoint when i was 14-15, in burbank on my way home from school

What school was that? Bell-Jeff HS, Providence HS, or Burbank HS?
Burbank all in all, is a nice community, even though it has an airport. 
From: whaley
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 1:37 AM
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burbank hs. the lockers were outside in the weather. OUTSIDE. nothin but a buncha weirdo freaks in that fuckhole city. 
From: the RainKing 14 - Don't think! Feeel.
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 1:42 AM
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I hear people say stuff like that about certain rifled very often, but I just cant understand how it would work. Personally, I dont think I'd be able to even see a person very well at 500 yards without a scope, let alone be able to hit them. I've never fired at a range of more than 100 yards though. I could probably keep my shots on a human sized target at 100 yards with iron sights, but at 500 yards? I dont think there's any way in hell that I'd be able to do that.


I hear ya', man.

But every Marine has to qualify from 500 hundred yards with iron scopes.

We shoot a normal human sized target from the prone position.

I don't know how I did it, but I did. 
From: KGBsuperspy puts the ass in assault
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 1:43 AM
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Who robs a 15 yr old at gunpoint? Like you have a real job at that age that lines your pockets so well you're a walking Brinks truck.

I love videos/stories of robbers getting p0wned. Especially when they rob ppl with fake guns and then the person finds out. Or grannies that shoot the shit out of intruders with a .357

I don't really have much in the inventory of guns. I have a .22 semi auto rifle and a 20 guage NE Firearms shotty that I get deer with, that's it. I'd like a handgun some time in the future and maybe a 30-06 for range shooting.

It rox to live in the country. All my neighbors shoot all the time so it's nothing to a hear BOOM every once in a while. 
From: the RainKing 14 - Don't think! Feeel.
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 1:44 AM
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[quote]with iron scopessights.

My bad. 
From: the RainKing 14 - Don't think! Feeel.
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 1:45 AM
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Goddamnit!

with iron scopes sights
 
From: Putang Ina Mo scratch a lover find a foe
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 1:46 AM
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I went to Bell Jeff class of '91, Burbank has its good and bad spots, I go to the firing range there near Costco. 
From: gunrunner is arming the other 11
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 1:49 AM
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ak-47, russian, romanian
sks, russian, serbian, yugo
m-16
ar-15
30 cal carbine
m1 garand
m 1891 mosin nagat
m-44 mosin nagat
Skorpion v-61
Calico machine pistol
uzi
Mas-36
spas-12
1911
Mausers...yugo, german, brno, turkish
1919 in 308
sten
Tok pistol...russian and chinese
32 cal. browing 1908
25 cal titan
22 luger
Carcanio
shotguns ranging from single barrel break 12's to the aforementioned spas
Degtyarev DP DPM RP-46
RPD
BAR 1918
Barret m82...soon to be sold
a serb/bosnian Magda ( 50 cal sniper rifle looks like it is made of pipes)
MG=42 semi auto
m79....shoots flares...out of grenades
muskets
beer can mortar
and serveral other project

now, you wanna know what I have in the shop? 
From: whaley
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 1:51 AM
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Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Have at it, kids! 
From: GhostGuy thinks Marlon Brando is hot
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 2:35 AM
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i was robbed at gunpoint when i was 14-15, in burbank on my way home from school to sherman oaks. i just threw my whole wallet at him & ran the fuck away. i wasnt gonna die for no fuckin $6.

Goddamn, that's fucked up.
You did the right thing though. Regardless of how fucked up it is to pull a gun on and rob on a 14-15 year old (Or anyone, for that matter. Fucking criminals...), there's not much you could have done aside from what you did or get shot. It's better to give up a few bucks and walk away than get shot and have the guy rip your wallet off of your dead body. 
From: Sonic Infidel - the Thelyphthoric
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 4:31 AM
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I need a m1911 but i'm tooo porr to afrod it. 
From: flashy the happener makes it happen
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 7:41 AM
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I love videos/stories of robbers getting p0wned. Especially when they rob ppl with fake guns and then the person finds out. Or grannies that shoot the shit out of intruders with a .357

these incidents are in the minority.

I dont really have a problem with guns, but owning an arsenal seems, well, obsessive.

Living in condos, if you want a gun for home defense, get a shot gun. less likely to waste a neighbor when firing in the dark,scared, 3 seconds after being awaked in the night. 
From: DeMaxX
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 9:01 AM
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http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-5/197059/Box.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-5/197059/MVC-075X.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-5/197059/0025.jpg
A few of mine 
From: Sonic Infidel - the Thelyphthoric
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 12:10 PM
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I dont really have a problem with guns, but owning an arsenal seems, well, obsessive.


It's like any other collection of functional items. Each one has a purpose and a niche in the collection.

Obsessive? Perhaps. Awesome? Of course. 
From: gunrunner is arming the other 11
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 1:10 PM
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and they are a much better investment than those franklin mint plates.

my investment can blow up your investment! 
From: aceinthesky
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 1:40 PM
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rainking...
I don't know how I did it, but I did.


as an active duty Marine...i can honestly say wtf. you dont know how you did it? we know exactly how we are able to do it...and we will do it over and over again. dont sound like you dont know what you're talking about. 
From: komorus doesn't tiddle so don't fiddle
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 2:23 PM
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I was watching a 70's cop movie earlier this week. It occured to me that EVERYBODY in the movie with a gun had a .38 snub nose. Bad guys, coppers, and all. I know veyr little about guns, I hope to get something for self defense once I'm old enough to get a pistol. 
From: Sonic Infidel - the Thelyphthoric
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 2:27 PM
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.38 is good for concealed carry because of the size, but it kind of lacks stopping power. It seems to be a favorite with women because of the small amount of recoil and the physical size of the piece.

I guess in most situations, the very appearance of it and the possibility of being shot is enough to stop most would-be criminals, but if you ever run into a cracked-out body-builder, you're probably screwed. 
From: komorus doesn't tiddle so don't fiddle
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 2:30 PM
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I had no plans for concealed carry. Even if I wanted to my wife wouldn't let me, just want something to keep at home for that "just in case." 
From: gobblox emerged from the womb in 9595, covered in gravy
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 3:15 PM
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I had no plans for concealed carry. Even if I wanted to my wife wouldn't let me, just want something to keep at home for that "just in case."


the simple shotgun is the best for home defense.

A load of birdshot is more than enough to ruin someones day, and wont penetrate the walls the way most other bullets would, lower chance of friendly fire. 
From: KGBsuperspy puts the ass in assault
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 4:30 PM
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a cracked-out body-builder


50 cent?

Why is it that handguns cost so much more than long-barrels, but are made of less material? 
From: carlhuber runs the heck out of the Warehouse
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 4:33 PM
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I'm afraid of guns in the same way that I'm afraid of heights.
My mind keeps thinking "well, what if you just pointed it at yourself and pulled the trigger, such a simple thing" in the same way that being on top of a high building makes me think "well, it would be so simple to walk off. What then?"

I suppose I have no place in this thread! 
From: the RainKing 14 - Don't think! Feeel.
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 5:05 PM
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as an active duty Marine...i can honestly say wtf. you dont know how you did it? we know exactly how we are able to do it...and we will do it over and over again. dont sound like you dont know what you're talking about.


You're right, you're right.

It was pretty easy. I think I was just trying to make the guy not feel so bad.

My bad. 
From: GhostGuy thinks Marlon Brando is hot
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 5:10 PM
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we know exactly how we are able to do it...and we will do it over and over again.

Sounds like secret marine HAX!

I guess I dont really have any real referance of how far 500 yards really is. I'd just imagine that a human sized target would look really tiny at that range :) 
From: the RainKing 14 - Don't think! Feeel.
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 5:15 PM
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It does.

You just focus on that front sight, and the target is a little blur.

But we can hit it. 
From: The Terminator is still searching for Sarah Connor
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 5:16 PM
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What do you have to do to get sniper/sharpshooter qualification? 
From: the RainKing 14 - Don't think! Feeel.
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 5:19 PM
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Well, to be a sniper, you have to qualify high enough on the range, then go to Scout Sniper School. My dad did that.

But all Marines have to qualify on the range.

Marksman is the lowest. Then Sharpshooter, and Expert is the highest. 
From: the RainKing 14 - Don't think! Feeel.
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 5:21 PM
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If I remember correctly, in boot camp you have to shoot from 200, 300, and 500 yards.

From standing, kneeling, and prone positions.

Rapid fire from 200 and 300. Among other things.

I think it was ten shots from prone position from 500. 
From: the RainKing 14 - Don't think! Feeel.
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 5:25 PM
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After that, you still have to qualify shooting rapid moving targets, night firing, firing with a gas mask on, etc...

All sorts of fun stuff. 
From: GhostGuy thinks Marlon Brando is hot
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 5:36 PM
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Man, you Marines must be some badass shots.
I need to get a nice rifle capable of long ranges, find somewhere that I can shoot at long ranges and go practice.
Unfortunately the ranges around here only go out to about 25 yards. The closest range with a good distance (It goes out to 700 yards) is about an hour away or so.
:( 
From: gunrunner is arming the other 11
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 8:48 PM
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its all about stance, breath contol, sighting, target id and trigger pull.

and practice, tons of practice 
From: Sonic Infidel - the Thelyphthoric
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 8:50 PM
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I love shooting moving targets. Claybirds are my favorite. I can go through four boxes of birds and a brick of shells in no time. 
From: the RainKing 14 - Don't think! Feeel.
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 9:36 PM
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gunrunner said:

its all about stance, breath contol, sighting, target id and trigger pull.

and practice, tons of practice


Exactly. 
From: Syntax Error wants to hurt you just to hear you screaming his name
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 9:50 PM
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I hear people say stuff like that about certain rifled very often, but I just cant understand how it would work. Personally, I dont think I'd be able to even see a person very well at 500 yards without a scope, let alone be able to hit them. I've never fired at a range of more than 100 yards though. I could probably keep my shots on a human sized target at 100 yards with iron sights, but at 500 yards? I dont think there's any way in hell that I'd be able to do that.


i know i could hit teh 300m targets at basic better than 75% of the time with the iron sights on my M-16A2. Best designed sights in the world.

(And i can wait to finish my custom AR-15 in the next few weeks. I'm looking to greatly improve upon my earlier marks with this new rifle) 
From: the RainKing 14 - Don't think! Feeel.
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 9:55 PM
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i know i could hit teh 300m targets at basic better than 75% of the time with the iron sights on my M-16A2.


75%? Army? j/k

And i can wait to finish my custom AR-15 in the next few weeks.


I've been debating for a long time about purchasing one. I know I will eventually. I just miss it too much. 
From: KGBsuperspy puts the ass in assault
 
Date: 7/9/06 @ 11:34 PM
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No one answered my question =(

Why is it that handguns cost so much more than long-barrels, but are made of less material?


Concealment? Because they're used in more crimes so they want to discourage their use? 
From: extropian ...
 
Date: 7/10/06 @ 12:02 AM
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KGBsuperspy said:

No one answered my question =(

Well first off I'd point out that handguns don't usually cost more than rifles in my experience. Some pistols certainly cost more than some rifles, but I wouldn't say it's that common.

Your average non-rare/specialty/show pistols made by reputable manufacturers will generally cost you somewhere between $400-$1000, and average rifle from about $500-$3000.

That said, pistols are harder to make in some ways so they should be a little more expensive proportionately. Generally they have more moving parts, are more miniaturized, use "specialty" metals more often, and require more complex machining. The design and testing phases are also much more involved for a pistol generally so that adds to the cost as well. 
From: Cheech Wizard
 
Date: 7/10/06 @ 12:04 AM
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2 of my favorite toys . Both are shot weekly, and I reload for both. 
From: the RainKing 14 - Don't think! Feeel.
 
Date: 7/10/06 @ 1:19 AM
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Isn't it much harder to legally obtain a handgun than a rifle? 
From: davelog SAINTS, BABY!!!
 
Date: 7/10/06 @ 1:30 AM
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Very. 
From: extropian ...
 
Date: 7/10/06 @ 2:01 AM
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the RainKing 14 said:

Isn't it much harder to legally obtain a handgun than a rifle?

Depends on where you live. It's not that much harder in WA. 
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